AN INTERVIEW WITH PAUL J. CURTIS

by Mr. Bones

Paul J. Curtis-Founder/Director of the American Mime Theatre, Chairman of American Mime, Inc., and Founder of International Mimes and Pantomimists. Mr. Curtis has taught, lectured, directed, and performed since 1952 and has created a unique performing art -- a complete theatre medium called American Mime. The history of American Mime is fully documented and available to the public at the Research Library of The Performing Arts, Lincoln Center, and Harvard College Library, Theatre Collection.
I asked Paul Curtis to comment on the American Mime medium for this book and the interview he sent me seems to emphasize and embrace our spirit at work in Le Centre Du Silence in Boulder. This interview is copyrighted by Paul Curtis 1975.

Q. Where were you trained and what motivated your departure from traditional Mime?

PJC. I was trained by Erwin Piscator at the Dramatic Workshop of the New School of Social Research. Following this training, I went to Europe to explore different forms of theatre. I was disturbed by what seemed to me the arbitrary separation between the arts of acting and dance. For example, from India to China there are no separate words in any language for dancer and actor. While in Europe, I discovered such things as the Peking Opera, and the work of French pantomimists, among other forms. I was struck by the silence of the French Mime, although I felt' their product was innocent of the discoveries of the modern dance and Stanislavsky's contribution to the art of acting. Returning to this country, I thought it would be interesting to present for American actors a project of Mime that would at once demonstrate its potential and correct the limitations of the medium as practiced by the French. That project resulted in a concert at the 92nd Street "Y". This concert produced an unusually strong audience reaction to a product which was not overloaded with merit. However, the company, fortified by this audience reaction, wanted to continue and as a result The American Mime Theatre was created.

Q. What is Mime?

PJC. A definition of Mime is as impossible as a definition of acting or dance. It's like trying to tell you what water tastes like. Mime is a performing art that is defined by each performer and school that practices it. Because the art form lies between the two arts of acting and dance, any definition must reflect the acquired skills and ability to perform that which neither the actor or the dancer can do better.

Q. Is there a difference between Mime and Pantomime?

PJC. The word Mime embraces many diverse forms of the art. It is like the word dance which covers, with equal accuracy, an Ojibway tribal celebration, the classic ballet, or the tap dancing of Buck and Bubbles. The French School uses the two terms synonymously which has generated a great deal of confusion. In the American Mime Theatre, we use the following definitions because they are useful. Pantomime is the art of creating the illusion of reality by dealing with imaginary objects or situations. Its art rests on the ability to imply weight, texture, line, rhythm and force to the air around them. Mime, on the other hand, is the art of acting silently through various kinds of theatrical movement.

Q. What is the difference between American Mime and the French School of Mime?

PJC. The French School of the art is primarily that of Pantomime. Pantomime engenders in the viewer a feeling of credibility by the way the practitioner handles the air around him. We use very little Pantomime.
American Mime is a medium for silent actors who play symbolic activities in characterization and express the feelings and desires of their characters honestly through a kind of motivated movement we call form.

Q. You are credited with creating the Mime tradition called American Mime. How would you describe this work?

PJC. In the first place, I did not start out to create a new Mime tradition. I wanted to create a dramatic event that would combine acting and moving to produce a more meaningful theatrical experience. This work slowly produced a different performing art from that of the traditional French Pantomime. American Mime is simply a particular balance of the arts of acting, movement, Pantomime, design, and playwriting.
The two most important facts about American Mime are these: First, it is a complete theatre medium in a way that no other Mime form I know of is. That means there is a complete body of aesthetic laws and limitations governing every aspect of its activities from performance to script material that insures the consistency of its aesthetic products.
Second, The American Mime Theatre has functioned as a professional Mime company continuously for over gears making it the oldest professional Mime theatre in the world. This company was the first professional Mime company in the Twentieth Century in this country. It was formed in 1952 when there was no professional Mime activity in the United States and no European Mimes had performed here.

Q. What kind of material does The American Mime Theatre perform?

PJC. The primary aim of our medium, regarding script material, is to explore the internal landscape. We create mime plays that are made up of activity symbols. These activities must be logical on the narrative level and yet clearly communicate the symbolic significance behind them. Our content is myriad forms and facets of spirituality. It is our aim in performance to elicit from the audience through their intellects and emotions a direct spiritual response. While all of our plays are symbolic, some are more abstract than others. In most of our plays, the acting values dominate the experience. All American Mimes are trained to develop script material in our particular form of group creation. Our entire Repertory has been developed in this manner. We choose each play out of what individually and collectively concerns us most at the time of creation and in relationship to what we already have in the Repertory. In performance, from 5 to 7 different plays are performed, each of them representing a different aspect of American Mime script material.

Q. What theatrical equipment do you employ in your performances?

PJC. Our performers appear in black skintight units before a white cyclorama. Sets are never -used. Masks, costume, properties, and set pieces are used sparingly and are created to be frankly theatrical. We try to produce a lean clean look by using equipment created to suggest more than it shows.

Q. Do you use music?

PJC. We use very little music. Our sound ranges from abstract vocal sounds made by the performers to electronic scores.

Q. Do the performers speak?

PJC. No, we don't. Although once in a great while the play will contain a special use of one word.

Q. Do you use white face?

PJC. No, we don't. That tradition began in the commedia dell'arte. It was originally the theatrical signature of a doltish character from upper Bergamo who was a baker's assistant and the white powder was simply the theatrical equation for flour on his face. The French school uses this device rather successfully as part of its mystique to accomplish a deft separation from the social experience. In a performance, our performers may play in 5 or 6 different mime plays, and the use of white face would seriously limit the possibilities of achieving the separation between characters and the dynamics of the plays.

Q. Describe the training program at the American Mime Theatre.

PJC. Our beginning course involves the process of the student becoming proficient in both acting and moving. The control and skill of the body must be fused with the motivation of the actor. To achieve this proficiency, we first must get, both individually and collectively, a psychological freedom that enables the actors to touch and use their truest responses in the performing process. We work on acting skills in the areas of motivation, characterization, objectives, and interplay, through our own form, which is the extension of our character's feelings into the body in accord with the dynamics of the particular play.

Q. What are the requirements to study at your school?

PJC. The only requirement is motivation. To begin, you must commit three months of unbroken study and work outside of class for ten minutes a day. While this demand may seem slight, it is beyond the capabilities of 99% of the non-professional students. Most students, while fond of the concept of themselves as performers, are totally unequipped with the motivation to seriously study any performing art. Or more simply, their innocence obscures the inherent price of progress-which is intense and continued effort.
Most students who study anything are not truly interested in achieving proficiency. They are there for other reasons. The student who achieves professional proficiency needs only one thing: motivation. This simply means that it is essential that the student understand that no one is responsible for their creative product but the student. When that is clearly understood, the student is introduced to the heady concept that any improvement achieved is produced by the accuracy and amount of work that the student does outside of the class structure. That concept generally takes two years to understand.

Q. Are there other Mime companies in the country?

PJC. Probably while you asked that question three others were formed. Mime activity in this country is growing so fast that we who practice it can barely keep abreast of its development. Every week there are new practitioners and new companies. We formed an organization called International Mimes & Pantomimists out of the need to keep all of us in the profession abreast of what's happening.

Q. Could one make a living as a professional Mime?

PJC. Probably not. After 20 years, we are just beginning to make a living. The most proficient practitioners of the art form have great difficulty in making a living; and until you achieve that same level of proficiency, which generally takes about six years, it would be highly unlikely. The American Mime Theatre has been funded by the New York State Council on the Arts, The Rockefeller Foundation and others, and we still have great difficulty in making ends meet. Mime is one of the last fields of endeavor one should enter to insure one of financial stability. On the other side of this, the opportunities for professional mimes today are expanding with a rapidity that would have seemed unbelievable even a few years ago.

Q. What is your reaction to the increasing popularity of Mime in the country?

PJC. I am both delighted and concerned. Delighted because for these art forms to take their place as equals beside the other performing arts we need many more practitioners, training schools, performance experience and justified critical acclaim. I am concerned with the growing number of people who, without credentials, call themselves mimes or pantomimists, who are not performers at all, have no training in the art forms whatsoever and who perform and even teach under the guise of professionalism. I don't mean for a minute to deprecate the work of the beginner or the amateur, whose work we need and who should be encouraged. I take issue only with the claims of professionalism from the totally unequipped. These people are damaging to the growth of Mime and Pantomime. In time, an enlightened theatre audience will correct this condition, but until then, this damage will be formidable.
Mime has become chic this year. in the do-it-yourself panorama of the pop-art mediums it is enjoying something of a fad. I don't think that this popularity is based on anything real, nor that it will last or increase. Being an American Mime performer in the United States at this time in history is a commitment rather akin to becoming a Trapist Monk in Italy in the 1 7th Century. And I see no reason that that should meaningfully change in the future. Or, said in another way, the theatre is kept alive not by popularity, or the psychological necessity of its products, but by the internal need, or compulsion, of its practitioners to practice it in order to lead a creative life.

Q. How is American Mime received today by critics and audiences?

PJC. The American Mime theatre has become hunchbacked with accolades. We are known as a "serious attraction," an artistic success. Loosely translated this means our work is generally not as bad as most of the professional theatre, we believe in what we are doing and have money trouble. There is a great confusion when we talk about critics. The primary function of a critic is to aid the artist and for this he must be armed with enough information concerning the form itself and the aim of the artist to bring his heightened perceptions to bear on the creative product against his personal standards of excellence. The function of a reviewer is to apprise the community at large of the general experience that the creative product affords. The function of any performing art is to touch and move the audience, to create a spiritual enrichment. Any performing art has potentially the capacity to do this. It is seldom achieved because most people, Mimes included, don't do what they do very well.

Q. Where does The American Mime Theatre go from here?

PJC. Straight uphill. The mimes at The American Mime Theatre practice this Medium as a way of life. They not only study, perform, teach, and create the material for the repertory, but they administer all the business of The American Mime Theatre and American Mime, Inc. We spent the first 1 5 years of our life developing our Medium. Now we are committed to the evolution of a superior creative product and the promotion of this Medium throughout the world.